Off this topic a bit, but thanks for the freezer info. I just had to tell you that I couldn't function without a freezer. In the basement, we have a big chest-type freezer that is pushing 50 and just keeps humming along. (You can be sure it doesn't have any automatic defrost function) It's great to be able to order nice meats from anywhere in the country.

No, not trying to start an arguement.

Just responding to the ideat that the whole theory has been debunked.

Personally I think obesity is multi causal and like any multi causal condition there are going to be differing responses to differing interventions.

I actually consider food reward and insulin theory as two culprits that can affect someone independantly or in conjunction. See no reason for conflict between the two.

The fear is that because we have discovered some people that can lose weight including ample starch, we start telling EVERYONE that the whole carbs theory is bogus, clearly it is not.

Back in the 50s there were very interesting experiments done with carbs which were made radioactive and fed to people with different base metabolisms. It was pretty clearly established that there are two completely different base responses to excess carbs. Mr. "Fatten easily" would store them and Mr. "Skinny" would simply end up with a higher metabolic rate, higher body temperature, and burn them. Personally I think we should spend more time looking at the research that has alread been done (and there is a HUGE amount) rather then the very latest and greatest research which is not always on point.

In the above research it can actually be witnessed where the carbs go via X-rays in the two body types. I find that pretty convincing well beyond anything we can associate with a kitavan or inuit lifestyle.

So for me there is no real arguement, as I think many theories are "right". I have never felt in life that someone else has to be wrong for me to be right. Quite often there are many right answers.

I do give pause and debate when I see poor science passed around paleo as gospel, supported only by confirmation bias.

I am a huge proponent of low carb keto diets, and even have great success on zero carb. However I do have to aknowledge that I lost a great deal of weight doing the typical SAD diet low fat, calorie count approach that everyone in paleo says will never work. In fact, it worked really well for me, I busted my ass in the gym and counted every calorie and was very healthy and losing 5 pounds a week.

Its actually tempting to return to that method at times, except it requires huge amounts of gym time I do not have today...