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8:53 pm
February 22, 2010
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QuoteWilliam:
You weren't benching 300kg in the 1980s.
If you were, you would have been famous for having won every powerlifting competition on the planet. The first person to lift 300kg in competition was Bill Kazmaier, in 1981…and the winners of the IPF Worlds during the 1980s were benching anywhere from 225kg to 275kg. (1980 results, 1981 results, 1982 results, etc. US Senior Nationals results were similar: 1980, 1981, 1982, etc.)
In other words, you would have been beating Kaz, Lee Moran, Ed Coan…NOT.
Given this fabrication, I'm sure none of your other claims are true, either. You're not doing the vegan community any favors.
JS
5:36 pm
Oh look JS can use a search engine, but that still means you are a MORON, you seem to think that just because I did not compete or because there are no references to me on the internet then I must be a liar, I have a small corner of fame still in the gym where I trained. Yes I can prove what I say, be my guest come and see me and I will personally take you to the gym you can see for yourself. I never had the need for fame, I am very content in myself unlike you, whose sole purpose seems to be to denigrate others ( please feel free to look up words you do not understand as judging by your attempt at a novel you will have to ) The offer stands, put your money where your mouth is and come and see me.
Oh and you pre-conception that a vegan is a Peace loving hippyesque wouldn’t hurt a fly and is beneath you on the evolutionary tree ideal will be shattered.
2:59 pm
It is incorrect to imply that self starvation complications are only experienced by vegans, or that all vegans experience them. Anyone on any kind of diet can starve themselves. I am sure that there are vegans that do and I KNOW that there are meat-eaters that do as well.
I have had an eating disorder in the past (which I have now recovered from) when I was NOT vegan and I did experience all of these symptoms even though the little food that I did eat included meat, eggs and dairy. I also am now currently vegan and am healthier than I have ever been (yes, I know that is partly due to my recovery, but I mean I am healthier than when I was eating animal products before my eating disorder).
I know what starvaton feels like, and I am all to familiar with the "high" experienced when your body eats itself but well thought out, researched veganism is nothing like that.
There are healthy vegans and sick meat-eaters and vice versa so it obviously has more to do with the individual and how well they look after themselves.
Please stop focusing on the dietary aspects of veganism and think about the ethics of animal rights - that is what veganism is really all about.
3:56 am
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9:38 am
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1:47 pm
I dont believe there is one diet correct for everyone. If you are Vegan good for you, if it works and you are healthy, and doctors say you are healthy stick with it. If you are like a friend of mine who is allergic to almost every fruit and veg out there, being a vegan wont work for you. She even tried to become a vegitarian, but due to the lack of vitamins and minerals, she got sick. She couldnt eat half the stuff vegans eat to be healthy. People shouldnt be judged on what they eat, just like you wouldnt jusdge them based on religion, or race. I would probabley be healthier on a vegitarian diet while my husband is ten times more healthy and eats meat. His body is even more carnivore like with sharp fron teeth, big jaw and wide mouth, with a low cholesteral no matter what. So your best bet to be healthy is to see a dietistion and ask them about which lifestyle best suites you.
1:38 pm
Hello,
I am sitting here reading and re-reading these comments and ultimately feeling both relieved and conflicted. I was a vegetarian for 10 years, but after 3 years I suddenly started getting unexplained vertigo-oh, and I was also overweight. I got depressed and started down a not-so-good spiral.
My husband fought with me repeatedly to take fish oil, but I was anti-eating or consuming anything that "had a face", and refused. Until one day I was so depressed I couldn't stop crying and decided I might as well try it.
4 years later, I'm taking fish oil every day, and eating seafood happily.:) I haven't yet moved over to consuming "things with legs" ;), but have been toying with this possibility for awhile now.
I don't know if eating fish and seafood provides enough nutrients that eating other kinds of meat is unnecessary, or if fish doesn't qualify as "real" meat. I'd love your thoughts on this.
In addition: I do not eat wheat, brown rice, quinoa or high-oxalate foods, cheese or anything "cured". I have felt better since going off of wheat, but not totally back to where I need to be...
Lastly: I've heard horror stories of people when they transition back to being an omnivore, and getting very very ill. Since I have a phobia about "tossing my cookies", I have avoided this transition with something akin to fear. I'd like to hear suggestions on making the transition, and in particular people's true experience with it.
Thanks for your bravery in posting on a topic not really "popular" at the moment!
9:05 am
Wow! Just wondering what all these very defensive, even verbally abusive, vegan-types are doing here checking out a pro-carnivore site. Might be demonstrating some of that starvation-induced crankiness? Even some self-doubt/loathing? Thank you, JS, for maintaining objectivity and dignity in these comments and for all this site's information and support.
10:15 am
Vegetarianism and veganism are clearly eating disorders, more properly termed: Phytorexia.
(phyto = plant, rexia = consumption)
10:22 am
I find some of the vegan comments (not all) believable.
Perhaps we need to accept the reality of biochemical individuality. There do appear to be a few... a VERY, VERY few... people who can be healthy vegans for extended periods of time. If they are honestly doing fine without animal foods, ny all means leave them alone.
But the vegans also need to accept the fact that they are a genetic minority, that MOST people cannot be healthy vegans, not ever, no matter how well balanced, etc the diet may be. If those who can be vegan, want to be, fine - but they MUST ABANDON the idea that they've discovered a utopian plan of salvation that everyone ought to adopt. Because it's just not true.
Most vegans defiantly refuse to accept this. Typically they insist that they hold some sort of "moral" high ground, and that all of us should be like them. Well.. it can't be moral if it doesn't work biochemcially, so scrap that idea.
8:42 pm
The author of this article is an idiot. Watch 'forks over knives' or research the debilitating effects our western diet's meat, eggs, and dairy consumption causes us from diabetes to cancer and certainly the millions who die each year of heart disease. Other people in the world don't eat like we do in America and as a result they do no have the health problems we do. America eats then most meat and also spends the most on healthcare. coincidence? I think not.
To all you vegans or vegetarians. congratulations for standing up against adversity. People like this author are obviously the walking heart attacks that end up as one of the millions of heart related death statistics.
I really feel sorry for this author.
9:18 pm
I love j stanton. he sends so many people to my mcdonlds restaraunts. we pay him a million a year.
4:04 pm
I think this article is alienating some people (including me) for a few reasons:
1. It's important to take other factors into consideration when evaluating the success and failure of diets, and looking at extremes isn't the answer. Just like many veg'ns will point at meat eaters and say "look how high your obesity rate is!", meat eaters like to point fingers at the weird hippie vegan who looks like they just got out of a POW camp and say "but look how unhealthy YOUR diet is!". Regardless of the diet, it's about balance.
2. Most people don't realize how many vegans/vegetarians that surround them, because most of us are healthy. I went vegetarian and started exercising and weight lifting in the same year and gained 17 lbs. (I'm a chick, and I fit in the same clothes). If I wasn't vegetarian, I'm sure I would have had the same benefits, but the point is, it happened anyways. To this day not a single person has guessed that I don't eat meat or dairy by looking at me, and more often than not they are surprised. Why? Because I actually exercise and eat healthy foods and try to minimize processed junk.
Meat eaters get unhealthy because their diets suck and/or they don't exercise.
Non-meat eaters get unhealthy because their diets suck and/or they don't exercise.
Basically, I wish there would be a more civilized discussion regarding dietary choices. I personally support backyard farming/egg raising and grass-fed beef, but I get a lot of religious veg'ns/meat eaters/paleo-types on both sides saying I'm insane/stupid for my way of thinking. Articles like this do nothing but add heat to the fire. Vegans need to realize there ARE sustainable/humane ways to eat meat and animal products, and meat eaters need to realize that you CAN be healthy without eating meat.
I really enjoyed reading a bunch of other articles on here until I got to this one. Veganism is a way of life that stretches beyond the pantry for a lot of people, and I think you are missing that with this article. Making fun of cereal eaters is one thing, making fun of a vegan who is against the slaughter of a sentient being is another.
Hopefully this makes sense and appeals to your reason. I'm trying to be as fair as I can about the issue. Perhaps I am too much of a dreamer, (that's the hippie in me), but I don't see why paleo/veg/health-conscious people of all walks can't unite and start influencing some real change in how we view and produce food in this country. That's a lofty goal but I believe that's why you write all of these articles.
10:56 am
I've been a vegan for nearly 10 years, and I feel great. I did the switch to protest agains the industry of meat, cheeze, milk and egs, that makes the world SICK with obesity, osteoporosis, cancer, ETC. Ther producta we buy in the store come from scared to death, beaten, terrified animals. And we eat it. I'm never going back to such gross habits. Some of the comments I've seen here.... Issshhh, need serious education. http://www.adaptt.org/ anyone ?
1:06 pm
June 5, 2011
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Since moving over to paleo eating, I find an incredible affinity with vegans.
I grew up a vegetarian, averse to factory meat production. We moved over to goat milk, away from factory cow milk production. We made our own yoghurt, our own butter, our own cheese sometimes. We were against corporate food production.
I broke from that some years later, but have always eaten organic, outdoor and non-biotic reared animals. Since moving over to a paleo lifestyle, I want the best - I want the best outdoor experience, the most useful activity, the best meat, fish and shellfish I can find, the best eggs, I can source locally from chickens I see roaming around fields while out walking ... you get the picture.
What I do not like and this really is something I cannot abide, be it religion, pseudo-religion, lifestyle or whatever is this notion that I am right and I am best.
I do what I do because that is the conclusion that I, as an intelligent animal, have come to. I do not impress "paleo" on other people - that they do not eat or live the way I do is not my concern. I live my way.
Thankfully, this world as we have it now and as we will hopefully have it for some time to come is big enough for all of us. We eat meat - we hope meat production will get better. For now, perhaps the vegetarians and vegans could stand with us.
Living in the Ice Age
http://livingintheiceage.pjgh.co.uk
10:18 am
When I was a kid I used to wolf my veggies and cry over my congealing meat.
I listen to what my body tells me, and all my life it's told me I don't need meat. Eggs - lots. Fish, every week or so. Meat - occasionally. No anemia, still fit into the same clothes as 20 years ago, fitter than most people 20 years younger than me.
But the best, BEST bit was when I gave up milk last year, having finally twigged that I'm lactose intolerant. Not only have the (use your imagination if you must) digestive troubles gone, so has the chronic skin rash.
Bottom line: we're not all the same! Some people seem to need meat, others not so much. Genetics and diet both affect how well we can extract nutrients from the food we eat. Vitamin B12 is only required in tiny amounts, it's stored in the body for months and originates from soil bacteria anyway - so maybe living closer to the earth is enough.
1:38 am
I couldn't help by laughing as I read this post. I really thought it was sarcasm, something tells me that it still may be; a mockery of the uneducated. As amusingly entertaining as this blog is, it is full of fallacy and common ignorance, however, the concept is original, and probably give new ammunition to Vegan haters. Obviously the blogger fails to understand basic human physiology, but to his defense, most of his information is common knowledge among people will limited nutritional information, i.e. B12 deficiency, blah, blah, blah, repeated from a 1980's college text book which indicates that humans must be omnivore. Human physiology is that of a frugivorous ape. Cobalamin deficiency is non existent in a well planned Vegan diet.
JBG
New England University, Program Director of Human Medical physiology dept.
28 Years in the field of human Physiology
14 Years first hand vivisectional studies and animal behavior, Boston University
35 Years of nutritional studies, some incorporated in Dr. T. Campbell's China Study
4 controlled Veg. studies with over 4000 human subjects over a decade.
Member of the PCRM
4 studies published in the New England Journal of Medicine...
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