8:42 pm
Good summary... I'm going to try out the wal-mart water shoes.
FWIW, the only reason the soles have the "carpet fluff" on the bottom of them (flocking is the technical term I believe...) is because it allows Walmart to import them to the US as "slippers" instead of "shoes", and US Customs charges a lower import duty for slippers.
11:04 pm
February 22, 2010
Nick F:
Thank you! I keep this article reasonably up to date, so it will continue to be a good source of information.
Interestingly, the Menhaten water shoes run a bit smaller than the Dominicas...so if you're between sizes in one, you may be able to wear the other. (I can't wear the Dominica at all, but the Menhaten fits me.)
That's a great bit of trivia about the import duties, and it makes sense. I see a lot of big-box skate shoes with the flocking on the sole...interesting that it technically makes them "slippers" instead of shoes, even though they're obviously shoes.
JS
3:27 pm
I am 74 years old and keeping active with weights, pickleball, and other light exercise. Have studied nutrition approaches many years, strongly influenced by Weston Price and Paleo concepts, and make sure to eat quality meat with lots of veggies.
So now here comes “Born to Run” and it fits so perfectly in the picture I admire of using ancestral models to create and sustain health. Right away I am researching “minimalist” shoes, while trying to stay out of the clutches of Nike and such.
In roaming amazon reviews, I found reference to Feiyue martial arts shoes and several comments that they can serve as minimalist shoes at a very reasonable price. Here is the link.
I bought a pair -- only $15 plus SH. I want to comment that they seem well made and will probably last a good while.
Does anyone else have experience with them, how they perform, and if they are suitable as minimalist shoes?
I also need to decide on appropriate shoes for pickleball. FYI – this is “small tennis”, played with wiffleball and paddles on a small tennis court with standard tennis net. Fastest growing sport in the country!!.
I play on hardwood, and like to chase the damn ball. So I periodically have to rest a swollen knee. Maybe ancestral footware will reduce my injuries.
Thanks
Duane
12:42 am
February 22, 2010
Duane:
Reviews seem to indicate that the sole, while zero-drop, is very thick for a "minimal" shoe (~1 cm). But I have no experience with them myself, so I'd appreciate others' input.
For agility-based sports like pickleball, you'll want something that either laces up or has toe slots (VFF, Skeletoes, etc.) to keep your foot laterally stable in the shoe. The Feiyues look like they should work so long as they fit you correctly -- which is the main concern for any shoe. The best-made shoe in the world is worthless if it doesn't fit your feet!
JS
5:47 pm
The Luna sandals with the new stretch laces are easier for some of to wear than the traditional laces. I have the Luna's and the Xero shoes and much prefer the Lunas because they stick to my feet better and don't slap the ground. They don't have as much ground feel as the Xeros though (formerly Invisible shoes).
Also Vibram has a thinner cheaper model out now called the El-X. They're $75 and have a 2.7mm sole. These have the best ground feel of anything I've tried. They are just a slip on with no Velcro strap. This is probably the most minimalist shoe they've made. I would actually say they're closer to barefoot than the 4mm Connect Xero shoes.
Anyway thanks for the fantastic article. Water shoes are in season again so I can't wait to try some for jogging.
6:35 pm
February 22, 2010
Chris D:
Thank you for the input! Yes, the Lunas have a much thicker sole...more like a traditional flip-flop AFAIK. I'm seeing the prices on VFFs slowly fall as the competition heats up and capacity grows to meet demand.
I was just at a Kmart the other day (hey, I needed a cooler) and they actually had some solid water shoes for $10, 2 for $15. I've updated the article to add them.
JS
3:56 pm
FAIL...
As a runner who logs 60 mile weeks, this article is trash. Mentioning Scott Jurek, one of the greatest ultra runners of all time is a huge fail. In the photo, he hasnt even completed the gait cycle yet. Recommending shoes from Walmart to run in????
HUGE FAIL all around.
4:30 pm
February 22, 2010
Eric:
There are hundreds of photos of Scott Jurek on the Internet, and they all show the same heel-striking gait.
Click to see an example, another example, yet another example, still another example...
Meanwhile, if you're logging 60 mile weeks, feel free to spend more money on your shoes! I wrote this article for the remaining 99.9% of the population. However, I can't resist noting that the point of a minimal shoe is that it lets your foot do all the work previously done by all the padding, heel lift, and stability/motion control hardware -- so, by definition, there's much less to differentiate minimal shoes from each other. Anything that gives your foot the desired degree of traction and protection, and fits well enough to not give you blisters, should be fine.
(Plus, Scott has apparently converted to veganism. This combination shows clearly that while he has amazing natural talent, he doesn't know how or why he's able to do what he does. Scott succeeds in spite of his unnatural gait and diet -- not because of it.)
JS
1:16 am
June 5, 2011
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1:30 pm
Hey nice article. When I was young I ditched the heavy foot wear for wresting sneakers. Then later found that steger mukluks are even lighter and more minimal. I've hiked for miles on pavement in NYC in them, hiked on woods trails and etc... They are the most comfortable in my opinion. and are, if you dont put in the liner, the most minimal. People tell me I'm nuts, but they are always the ones complaining of their feet hurting. Mine never do. The only problem with the steger mukluks (I wear the tracker moccs) is that they wear out in 6 months and are pricey- @ $125.
But that said... I do love them and wear them year round, whether its 80 degrees out or minus 30 F. I'd love to find a cheaper moccasin that is also just rubber and soft leather... If anyone knows of one, let me know.
2:03 pm
Oh !! You all already answered my question. It appears that the soft stars people were talking about are actually a soft soled mocc. AND they are 1/2 the price of the stegers. I'm going to order a pair today and see if I like them. I do like the price!
2:10 am
February 22, 2010
Gryphon:
A lot of people seem to like the Soft Stars, but the prices have apparently gone up a lot...they're almost $100 now. That's less than the Stegers, but it's still a lot of money -- though they are handmade in America.
When I was younger, I backpacked in Chuck Taylors because I couldn't afford "hiking boots"...turns out I was just ahead of my time!
JS
5:07 pm
I am a recent convert to "boat shoes" though the ones I'm currently wearing happen to be from an expensive designer--they were a gift, and I figure I'll replace them with some cheaper deck shoes. I like the sleek high-tech look of water shoes like the SeaSide, but fear the neoprene would make my feet feel sweaty.
4:48 am
February 22, 2010
Mark:
Deck shoes can work if they stay on your feet...but they never did for me!
Note that most water shoes aren't neoprene. They're a stretchy fabric that looks sort of like it but isn't air- or waterproof...and they usually have big mesh panels anyway.
JS
11:27 pm
Regarding Jazz Shoes, I used to wear the leather sole Capezios which aren't made any more, about a 1/4 inch heel. They were available in men's sizes, but I have a small foot (6 1/2 +- a size or two) and women's fit me fine and were more in stock. The only down side was that the soles wore through in a month or two. I wore them until the holes got big all the way through the (very thin cardboard) innersole. Then I put a piece of thin roofing rubber cut like an insole and still wore them, very comfortable. One pair almost the whole sole wore away and the rubber wouldn't stay in. I found they make great "barefoot shoes" no soles, but no-one throws you out of a store. The other pair still just have big holes... Both very comfortable. I don't run, but do a lot of walking.
I also some years ago had a pair of Nike canvas wrestling shoes with very thin soles. They wore through after a while, shoe goo extended the life. Eventually the rubber sole hardened and cracked. That was the end of them. Modern wrestling shoes seem to be (sadly) more substantially built. I could never find another pair like the canvas Nikes.
Hope this isn't too long for you.
9:03 pm
February 22, 2010
John:
Not at all. Thank you for sharing your experiences: I can't possibly try every option on my own.
JS
12:30 pm
just google water shoes...then i buy the ones i like and i go to a shoemaker where i change insoles or re inforce the shoe in evey way....also gel insoles help made by a gel sheet not bought from a brand so they flat
4:05 pm
February 22, 2010
Alex:
Like you, I've found that sometimes it's helpful to glue down the insoles on water shoes: they tend to slide around more or less depending on the brand.
JS
7:05 pm
I have used Mountain Equipment water booties for water sports, backpacking and running. For backpacking I wear them with a thin poly pro sock plus a work sock. They work well. They are too hot for summer running, and don't have enough traction for running on snow. But for about 5 months of the year they work well.
Many people use them barefoot, and I've used them that way, but the resulting stink means that have to stay outside when I come home. They can be run through the washing machine.
(On both canoe trips and backpacking water encounters are frequent enough that overheating feet aren't an issue.)
Recently MEC has changed brands. I haven't tried the new ones yet.
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