4:10 am
February 22, 2010
Jo:
Lard is higher in polyunsaturated fat (~12%) than tallow (~4%)...and since there's really no such thing as a grass-fed hog, that's going to be mostly omega-6. And if you buy it from the grocery store, odds are good that it's partially hydrogenated, i.e. loads of trans fats. No good. (Make sure to check the label!)
That being said, regular, non-hydrogenated lard is still better than seed oils -- especially leaf lard, which will be higher in saturates, and is probably more like tallow in its fat composition. And I still fry eggs in bacon grease. But given the choice, and unless the recipe demands it, I buy and use tallow over lard. (Or render your own...that's what I do. Trimmings are often free, as the butcher is just throwing them away.)
I'm glad you enjoy my writing! Thanks for letting me know, and I hope you'll stick around.
JS
6:42 pm
Hey loved this article and it makes a lot of sense. I once went on the Atkins diet, which is similar though not the same. Anyway I lost weight fast and found that I had more energy and even thought clearer. What is your preffered way to cook? Baking, grilling or frying? And I saw an earler post about kangaroo. Is it any good
8:53 pm
February 22, 2010
Nigel:
I cook as the recipe or my mood demands. With a high-meat diet, variety is essential. Slow braising for pot roasts, baking for prime rib, grilling for steaks, burgers, and some roasts, frying for scrambles and if I don't feel like going outside to fire up the grill. As far as kangaroo, I've already posted everything I know.
JS
10:37 pm
This has become my diet manifesto for the rest of my life, thanks J. Stanton. It's a doable approach which has instant results, and then long-term ones which cannot be denied..
9:35 pm
Almost all the basic tenants of the Paleo diet make pretty good sense - but like any other popularizing discipline, paleo diet and lifestyle are already showing signs of dogma and zealotry. "eat like the predator, not the prey" is great advice to fire up the flabby males with any testosterone left in their bods and get them to the meat department of the grocery store and jerk them back on track. But therein the dogma already starts. Clearly we WERE smarter than the ridiculous brute caveman stereotype - and as such - were not merely "predators" as are the big cats. We had hugely more intelligence, wit, resourcefulness, creativity and even art.
So guess what? blind-sided anthropology whose theories can never be definitely proven or dis-proven, keeps re-guessing our "history" every time a few new bones are turned up all the while ignoring the most common sense extrapolations - possibilities that still call out to us even in this present day.
why do most of us do well with dairy? - and even human babies can almost universally switch over to goats milk with success if mama cannot supply. How much better could a paleolithic people - especially those wandering into a life offering 4-6 months of winter and scarce hunting - survive if they pressed into nutritional service indigenous animals - goats for many, or even wild reindeer for the Lapp population? (for example)
the paleo dieters cries of "foul" regarding conventional wisdom about sat fats, red meat eating and carbs/grains are right on... and then they go on to accept mindlessly ill-conceived and bad science methodology to call dairy non-paleo.
I believe that not only did we husband animals for many 10's of thousands of years -if not more - prior to what CW fertile crescent domestication theory would have us believe - but i would posit that much of the genetic pool of humans that survived the ice age did so with the help of the mammals pressed into their service for both meat AND dairy products.
THAT is what i mean about the developing dogma - the absolutism of paleo diet thinking that is crystallizing around people like Cordain and others whose creds and ideas are heavy with merit - but they are not infallible.
7:26 am
[...] Day 25 February 17, 2011 | Posted by Stefanie Eat Like A Predator Not Like Prey [...]
9:13 am
Just a hint for getting good grass fed beef: make friends with someone in your area who has a little land and will go in with you on raising a cow. You have control of what goes into it and how it is butchered. Good quality meat for cheaper than the store prices if you do it right. Plus it needs less medication and hormones.
2:32 pm
February 22, 2010
Josh:
Much appreciated! I'm glad it inspires you. The world needs more healthy people eating grass-fed beef, and less sick, obese, diabetic, depressed people eating the products of industrial agriculture.
Ravi:
There's a reason I put "experiment with removing dairy" last, and stress that butterfat is a good food for everyone. But it can't be denied that there are a lot of people with casein and lactose issues, particularly A1 casein. And I have a hard time believing that pastoralism predates our leaving Africa ~65,000 years ago, since cows and goats aren't native to Africa...so that makes the earliest possible dairy consumption very recent compared to meat, root starches, veggies, and even fish and shellfish.
Justin:
I wish I knew people with a fenced pasture!
JS
5:52 pm
@ Dr. Harris
You don't own paleo and this presentation of "how to" is not a knock-off of yours. Get off your high horse.
And oh, candida albicans overgrowth is a legitimate problem for many. But you've probably been set straight on that since your Jimmy Moore interview where you claimed it didn't exist.
"You can read the original 12 step list, whose recommendations are basically identical, published almost 2 years ago by an MD here:"
yes, and in my local phone book I can find a hundred MDs ready to put us all on low-fat diets and statins.
6:49 pm
February 22, 2010
F Boyd:
I'm glad you enjoy the article! However, I must note that Dr. Harris and I have communicated privately and reached an amicable resolution.
JS
8:29 am
JS,
Thank you for your blog. I am enjoying it. I have also enjoyed and learned much from Dr. Harris' blog. But even in his own forum, which is now closed, he is often unreasonably cantankerous and condescending. That is his intellectual playground so he can do as he pleases. But he does not need to contaminate others blogs with his puffed up ego.
None of his peers do this. Not DeVany, Wolf, Masterjohn, Lalonde. Sure it his right to be a donkey, but insulting those who want to learn from you and being petty with those who support your endeavor is amateurish.
Please feel free to delete this irrelevant digression
9:09 am
@ravi,
While many thrive on dairy, I have seen a greater number who benefit from its elimination. I've had patients who are already eating a grain, legume, and processed food -free diet. Then, upon elimination of dairy experience substantial benefit.
Chronic muscle soreness has completely resolved upon going dairy free. This is likely due to tissue phosphate levels normalizing. Resolution of minor mucous membrane inflammation has also occurred. This inflammation was likely systemic but only apprecialble in the sinuses.
What makes us thrive through childbearing years and what keeps us disease free into our eighties or nineties may not be exactly the same.
1:08 pm
Hello. I just wanted to say that I really enjoyed this article. I was hoping to get more clarification on fruits and vegetables, and your recommendations/experiences.
11:02 pm
February 22, 2010
Phil:
I don't worry about vegetable intake, because I eat far more now that I'm 'paleo' than I ever did before!
I don't have to force myself, either: plain meat and eggs get boring quickly, and I find I crave veggies along with the meats. Whereas before, when I was eating lots of starch, I was perfectly happy to eat meat and noodles in cream sauce with no vegetables at all. In other words: cut the starches, and the veggies take care of themselves.
I eat very little fruit: most modern fruits (apples, grapes, watermelons, pears) are just big fructose bombs with very little nutrition to compensate. And "fruit juice" is basically Coca-Cola with a couple vitamins. Especially apple and grape juice, which is the foundation of most "juices" even if they claim to be something exotic. (Read the label.)
I enjoy berries and cherries, and pomegranates are delicious too. But fruit isn't a significant calorie source in my diet.
F Boyd:
I'll delete it if you specifically ask me to: leave another comment if so and I'll delete them both. I am now closing this particular part of the discussion.
As far as everything else, I'm glad you enjoy my writing, and I hope you'll continue to read and comment. Can you elaborate on "tissue phosphate levels normalizing"? I don't immediately know to what process you're referring and would like to learn more.
JS
6:19 pm
Good evening JS.
I have questions about butter.
I keep reading in other sites that butter should be avoided for paleolithic diets. You, however, say that butter is not harmful to anyone. So the question is, what type of butter are you referring to? I don't know much about food but I know that butter is usually linked to dairy.
Thanks for reading,
Vlykarye
12:16 am
February 22, 2010
VH:
Butter (and dairy in general) is a controversial issue in the community. No dairy product is strictly Paleolithic (although there is no consensus as to whether pastoralism predates or post-dates agriculture).
However, given the fatty acid composition of butterfat, it's very difficult to argue that consuming animal fat or coconut oil is healthy but consuming butterfat is not. And butter is basically 100% butterfat with minor protein and sugar impurities. (Ghee is butter from which even the impurities have been removed.)
As I mention above, the issues of dairy are with casein (the protein in cheese) and lactose (milk sugar). Many people can't digest lactose, and casein is implicated in many allergies and sensitivities. So that's why I say milk products are suspicious in proportion to their casein and lactose content: often cheese and milk are right out. And some people are so sensitive to casein or lactose that even the tiny amounts in butter cause problems for them. That's why one of my last steps is "Consider removing dairy from your diet."
I tend to follow the Dr. Kurt Harris/Drs. Jaminet/Mark Sisson approach which involves using what Paleolithic people ate as a guide to understanding what is healthy to eat for us today...not specifically recreating what Paleolithic people ate. We can't do that anyway, because roots, vegetables, and fruits have been bred for thousands of years and no longer resemble whatever it is we ate 20,000 or 200,000 years ago...and we're not living off wild game we hunt ourselves, either. And some of the conclusions I see drawn about what Paleolithic people ate are either highly speculative or not supported by the data: see this article.
Hope this helps!
JS
4:10 am
Nada,
Have you read all the "research" or have you read a magazine article that said "research shows" but they don't tell you much more than that?
4:24 am
That is so what I was gonna say to Josh, before I read your post JS about pastoral-ism, he kind of left out a huge portion of Africa and Asian descent peoples who don't tolerate milk real well, and may pastoral peoples lived off blood products and not milk, plus the earliest modern humans before common era of 10,000 were all (more or less) hunter/gatherers. Supplementing gathering when the hunt didn't happen like they thought it would. Our teeth are not that of a prey (as you would state). Take a look at any bovine they are quite a bit different.
9:23 pm
I want to add my two cents in the debate over whether milk should be included in the paleo diet:
Until pretty recently, milk was consumed raw. From what I read, raw milk has many benefits over pasturized milk, such as often decreasing allergies, asthma and eczema in those who consume it. Also, not pasturizing the milk leaves intact the enzymes a human needs to digest the milk. Lactose intolerance is a non-issue for raw-milk drinkers because the enzyme needed to break down the lactose is still there (among other enzymes that help break down other parts). I think raw, creamy, fatty milk would have been a perfect substitute for meat when game was not abundant centuries ago, so perhaps it deserves a look in the modern paleo diet.
Disclaimer: Raw milk would not be for someone allergic or sensitive to casein.
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