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"Eat Like A Predator, Not Like Prey": Paleo In Six Easy Steps, A Motivational Guide
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December 9, 2011
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[...] like a predator, not like prey” - J. Stanton  Posted by doc0c at 2:12 [...]

December 10, 2011
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And few foods remain unimproved by the addition of a fried egg..... Have to say this is one of my favorite lines. I knew I was "home" after reading this.

Oh and while no one probably cares I found after eating this way I wasn't fixing extra meals or trying to find good dog food ( for my mutts) but just fixing extra with my meal for them, followed by some running around. We all sleep better, are more calm and healthier of course.

Love your blog and have learned a ton...so bad people don't bring up nutrition around me any more.

December 10, 2011
3:47 pm
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[...] Paleo in 6 Steps Guide [...]

December 12, 2011
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Alexis:

It's criminal the amount of grain-based junk we feed to our (carnivorous) pets...and then we're surprised that they're fat and diabetic, just like the humans who eat grain-based junk.

Glad to have you here.  Welcome home!

JS

December 15, 2011
6:42 am
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[...] like a predator, not like prey” - J. Stanton  Posted by doc0c at 2:12 [...]

December 17, 2011
3:16 pm
8 More Unmanly Thing
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[...] 6. Low-fat foods. You should Eat Like a Predator. [...]

January 30, 2012
10:39 am
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How much meat do we gotta ingest so we don't waste money eating too much?

No carbs in meat.. so how do you know how much protein gets converted into glucose/ketones?

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The conversion of protein to glucose and ketones depends on the body's needs.  AFAIK a mostly-sedentary person who isn't in ketosis burns perhaps 15% of energy as glucose: this increases with exercise, though exercise burns less calories than people think it does.  So if you're eating <15% of calories as glucose and aren't keto-adapted, you'll need to make up the balance via gluconeogenesis from protein.

You'll note that this isn't an all-meat diet, which I make clear right in Step 1 — and that I generally recommend carb intake below physiological needs as a weight-loss tool, not a permanent state to aspire to (though some people seem to do best in ketosis, either because they gain weight otherwise or due to other health issues).

Generally if one eats fatty cuts of meat, one ends up getting most of their protein and fat calories from meat (80/20 hamburger, for instance, is over 2/3 calories from fat).  The carbs come from vegetables, root starches, and some fruit.  But since vegetables have no significant number of calories (one asparagus spear has four calories), you can eat all the veggies you want.  I actually eat a lot more vegetables now that I've ditched grains and other empty carbs!

A usual meal for me contains meat, a couple eggs, a big pile of veggies cooked in coconut oil or ghee, a big mixed green salad, and something involving potatoes, sweet potatoes, or (occasionally) white rice -- e.g. the Paleo Scramble.

JS

February 1, 2012
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I have to ask what your take on fruit is though ?

I eat lots of animal protein and fat everyday which include wild fish, eggs, grass fed meats, coconut oil. I also am trying to lose that last stubborn belly fat so thats why I want to know your take on fruit like how much can I eat and still have my body burn fat instead of carbs. Does it really matter where my carb sources come from and how much (as long as its paleo carbs) for my body to still burn fat and not just carbs like saying getting all my carbs from fruit for example. I lift heavy weights (because I love it) and for carbs for recovery I have some sweet potatoes and some fruit and greens (carbs are anywhere from 80-120 a day).

I just cant get away from eating lots of fruit per day even though I want to get rid of that last stubborn belly fat I have. It dont think the fruit cravings are from not eating enough fat per day either because Im getting anywhere from 170-200+ grams of fat per day and calories are 2600 + .

February 1, 2012
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I will happily bow to J's more scientific take (always backed up with sources) but from the reading I've done (yes, backed up by the right sources), fructose seems to be the issue. We seem to have trouble using the stuff. You can google the matter - Sissons, Wolf and Cordain have all written on this, and the Jaminets, too ... who write more about starches.

So, while starchy carbs seem fine (especially with fat) for more active folks, fruit seems a poor cousin. With exception. Bananas, ripe or course, give us a good profile. Grapefruit seems to be the odd one, citrus, fructose-laden, but gives so much more ... then, there are berries, which have a pretty damn good profile.

If you're happy with starchy carbs for your energy requirements, carry on. As with all paleo food - while good food exists on the table, why look over there for something else? When it comes to "fruit" I stick rigidly to berries, and a slice of lime in my G&T.

I'd be interested in a good paleo-orientated summary of fruit - maybe J can be enticed into a Tuesday Special on the subject?

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kbags:

Losing that last increment of fat is a tough topic, because it seems to vary for different people.  The approaches I see that seem to help with that last stubborn fat are:

-Carb cycling, including carbless PWO protocols.  You might actually do better with more total carbs (80-120 is pretty low for someone active), but by cycling them instead of just upping your general intake.

-Intermittent fasting.  A combination of 16/8 IF and carb cycling really leans me out.

Part of my protocol is to never snack, which includes "recovery carbs".  Always eat them with a complete meal. 

And as Paul said, I'd strongly recommend getting most of your carbs from glucose, not fructose, because fructose can only refill liver glycogen.  To refill the muscle glycogen you deplete from lifting heavy weights, you need glucose.  Sweet potatoes have a lot of fructose, relatively speaking, and so does fruit...and since your total carbs are very low (80-120g/day is not much for someone active) you might be shorter on glucose than you should be. 

If you want to maintain that low a carb intake you should probably ditch the fruit and sweet potatoes, and go solely with pure starches like white potatoes and white rice...but given your intense workouts, I'd consider leaving them in but bumping up total intake with some pure starch (subject to the timings and strategies above.)

If you've got further or more in-depth questions, please post them in the Talk forum so this comment thread doesn't get derailed too far.  And if you find my advice helpful, please consider buying a copy of The Gnoll Credo.

Thanks and welcome!

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February 1, 2012
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Thank you J and Paul it makes sense.

On the carbs subject, what range of carb grams would you think to be good so that my body can still burn fat instead of carbs for fuel yet enough for muscles.

I want my body to still burn fat but adding higher amounts of carbs anywhere from 150-200 + seems to me like it wont do that or am I wrong as long as total fat intake is higher than carb intake I should be fine. (going off Mark Sissions ideas)

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kbags:

That depends on the intensity and frequency of your workouts.  The problem with carbs is when you eat them in excess of your body's needs, e.g. your muscles and liver are already full of glycogen.  That's when carbs start to become fattening.

Someone with lots of muscle mass who lifts a lot depletes more glycogen, and can store more glycogen, than your average couch potato: 150g/day is just a rule of thumb for your average person of average weight and physical activity.  Basically, you have to experiment: eat more if carbs improve your performance, eat less if you're starting to gain fat.  (Note: weight is not the best thing to track, because glycogen comes with a bunch of water weight.  Watch your waist circumference and your jiggle factor.)

And as I said, some combination of carb cycling and IF is likely to help too.

JS

February 2, 2012
10:13 am
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Why would ANY of you listen to someone with NO trace of any kind of medical schooling or medical degree of any sort that goes by "J. Stanton"? There is no validity of any of this person's articles and I can almost guarentee that he has produced no actual studies or experiments himself. Honestly people, are you actually going to be that naieve to believe that eating more meat than anything else is healthy for you? Have you EVER in your whole entire lives EVER heard of someone switching to an all meat diet and have reversed chronic diseases and illnesses? Lowered cholesterol? Lost weight? Lowered blood pressure? Let me answer that for you...NO. However on the other hand there are thousands of cases of people doing all of these things by switching to a plant based diet. It is an absolute sickening thought that some of you are making diet decisions based on some stranger who runs a website thats called "www.gnolls.org"....

February 2, 2012
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Awww ... bless ...

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February 3, 2012
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What are your thoughts on sprouted grains and legumes? I agree with you on the bird seed part. What if a seed or a bean is germinated first before it is consumed? Now is it in the plant category? since it is in the process of becoming a mature plant that would be edible in it's raw state?

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WerD:

Facts aren't changed by the source.  I link my references, and you can read them and make your own decisions.

"Have you EVER in your whole entire lives EVER heard of someone switching to an all meat diet and have reversed chronic diseases and illnesses? Lowered cholesterol? Lost weight? Lowered blood pressure?"

Absolutely yes! 

First, this isn't an all-meat diet.  Second, thousands of us have improved our health in all respects!  Here's Part 1 of the Primal Blueprint success stories, and here's the first page of Free The Animal "Real Results".  I have two personal friends who no longer take statins, several more who have each lost 30+ pounds...and that doesn't even count my readers!

Eating an evolutionarily and biochemically appropriate diet is the first step to better health -- and that includes plenty of delicious, nutrient-dense animal products. 

T Sayce:

Soaked and sprouted seeds and beans contain less antinutrients than raw seeds and beans, but they're still inferior food.  Sprouting doesn't magically add lysine to grain protein, deactivate gluten exorphins, or turn linoleic acid into an omega-3 fat.

The only reason I see to eat them is that you're too poor to afford real food.  This is a legitimate concern, but "Ezekiel bread isn't as bad for you as white bread" is not a sufficient argument to get me to eat it.  Even the humble white potato is a superior nutritional source, containing complete protein and a solid complement of bioavailable vitamins and minerals.

JS

February 5, 2012
10:21 am
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WerD is right. The Paleo Diet is a fad diet and a stupid one at that. "this is what i think 'we' might have eaten way back when." what about the connection b/t cancer rates and meat consumption?

February 5, 2012
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Paleo is a 2.6 million year old "fad".  I've previously responded to criticisms like yours at length, in the following article: "What Is The Paleo Diet, Anyway?" 

"what about the connection b/t cancer rates and meat consumption?"

There is none -- you've been lied to by decades of vegetarian propaganda.  See the following references, among many others:

Patty W Siri-Tarino, Qi Sun, Frank B Hu, and Ronald M Krauss. Meta-analysis of prospective cohort studies evaluating the association of saturated fat with cardiovascular disease. Am J Clin Nutr Jan 2010

“A meta-analysis of prospective epidemiologic studies showed that there is no significant evidence for concluding that dietary saturated fat is associated with an increased risk of CHD or CVD.

Circulation. 2010 Jun 1;121(21):2271-83. Epub 2010 May 17.
Red and processed meat consumption and risk of incident coronary heart disease, stroke, and diabetes mellitus: a systematic review and meta-analysis.
Micha R, Wallace SK, Mozaffarian D.
Department of Epidemiology, Harvard School of Public Health, Boston, MA, USA.

"Red meat intake was not associated with CHD (n=4 studies; relative risk per 100-g serving per day=1.00; 95% confidence interval, 0.81 to 1.23; P for heterogeneity=0.36) or diabetes mellitus (n=5; relative risk=1.16; 95% confidence interval, 0.92 to 1.46; P=0.25)."

And if you were convinced by "The China Study", note that Campbell's book is a fraudulent misrepresentation of the actual China Study, which shows that meat intake is associated with longer life, and wheat intake is associated with shorter life.  See: "The China Study, A Formal Analysis And Response."

I was vegetarian once, because I once believed the same propaganda you do.  Upon doing my own in-depth research, I realized that the science is unequivocal: humans are omnivores who are not only well-adapted to a diet with animal products -- we require them, and we are healthier, happier, and stronger when we eat them.

JS

February 16, 2012
11:06 am
JP
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About how many meals a day are we getting? From what I would guess about 1-2 meals if they are high fat meats.

I did paleo before but only did lean meats, which hindered my performance and overall mood. I will try the fatty meats, some veggies, and little/no fruit.

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