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10:31 pm
February 22, 2010
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QuoteAquaria:
Yes, there are plenty of junk food vegans: I've known a few, and they were monumentally obese.
However, in general, the statistics say that veg*ans tend to eat less junk food than omnivores. Paleo is successful and rapidly growing...but it's a very recent trend and therefore won't be represented in statistics even if it were significant enough in size (which it isn't).
JS
9:16 pm
the author of this article is nuts. And certainly not a doctor. Eating meat is not only unhealthy but you are causing a living, feeling domesticated farm animal a horrible amount of suffering. If you as a meat eater, want to hurt another soul, so that you can eat it, instead of eating the vegetables and plants that God put on this earth, then you are a cruel and heartless individual. I hope you come back as a cow or a pig. No joke intended. And where do you think you'll be going when you die, anyway?
7:03 am
September 24, 2012
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Its okay to kill a vegetable and/or fruit but not an animal? Reading comments make me want to post the picture of a piece of broccoli screaming when its "children" are about to get eaten 
"Often we forget . . . the sky reaches to the ground . . . with each step . . . we fly." ~We Fly, The House Jacks
2:39 pm
June 5, 2011
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Once again, we're drawn away from the purpose of this article, which is simply to debunk that very daft notion that "meat rots in your colon". It doesn't, and so that little snippet of v*gan propaganda continues to remain absolutely worthless.
This article was not an open debate on the rights and wrongs of eating meat, but I will add this ...
Paleo eaters are VERY concerned about the plight of the animal during its life. Yes, the animal will be killed, butchered and eaten. Personally, I am also VERY interested in exactly how that animal was killed and where I cannot find the detail, I simply will not eat the meat. Whoa! What? Paleo Veggie? Yeah, well, Pesce-Paleo in the main.
Morally, I see nothing wrong with eating flesh. It is something that we can eat, have done for millennia and seem absolutely suited to. Yes, we are adapted, modern and free thinking humans now who have a choice. Personally, I respect any person for making a choice of their own, but they MUST have the full facts in their hands.
Discount flesh, go v*gan and you really are setting yourself up for ill health. I sympathise. I do. If I could eat just veggies, I would, but I would not be in my prime of health … and that it the key. I do not want to be a weak human. Soy, grains and beans generally are quite simply not good for human health. Yes, folks can live convincingly on them for years and claim to be strong and healthy, but it just ain't going to last.
Finally, who commented that J is not a Doctor … and so his opinion must be worthless? Well, I actually rejoice that he is not. I have nothing but contempt for Docs, GPs and medics, generally … for their medical advicel they're fine fellows, otherwise.
I don't get ill, but if I did, the last person I would consult advice from is a Doc. The LAST person.
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11:25 pm
February 22, 2010
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Kristina:
Apparently you didn't read the BOLD-FACED WARNING which I've repeated many times, the latest just ten comments above. I'll reprint it here:
1. The purpose of this article is to address one very specific topic: the claim that “meat rots in your colon”. Making the general case for veg*anism vs. omnivory is not only a non sequitur, it's beyond the scope of one article — and most certainly beyond the scope of a comment.
2. Please read, at the very least, my responses to comments before asking a question (or making a statement). I have previously answered many of these questions: asking them again says, to me, that you're not interested in productive dialogue and are just spouting off.
Yes, there are a lot of comments! Deal with it.
To continue:
Eating plants kills far more animals than eating animals. When I eat a cow, the only animal that dies is that cow — and a properly managed pasture is a living ecosystem. In contrast, clearing land for agriculture kills everything that used to be on that land. Some are poisoned by rodenticides, fungicides, and herbicides; some are plowed under and killed; most simply starve to death because the food chain has all been diverted into human mouths.
You cannot disappear on this Earth. No matter how you live, hundreds of other animals have died so that you may exist. I choose to honor that by maximizing my potential as a human, instead of by shrinking into myself.
JS
2:57 am
"Once again, we're drawn away from the purpose of this article"
when people change the main topic mid argument you can count on the fact that they know they've lost it
12:05 pm
June 5, 2011
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Like Godwin's Law … we should have a Stanton Law for nutritional discussion.
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4:05 pm
It's interesting how herbivores can evolve to eat something, they were not designed to eat in the 1st place. Ultimately as long as you can get all the essential nutrients in your diet which can be got through either diet as well as exercise brain and body you'll be healthy. The rest is simply opinion, all data is bias
6:57 pm
Considering that the Earth's original lifeforms were single celled organisms, no animal today is eating according to the first place design.
11:34 am
Alex, I know this is off topic but I love your profile picture
3:53 pm
That's a pic of Bilitis, a sweet, unbelievably stupid cat who devoted her life to eating kibble and being around me. She was never sick a day in her life until the morning when her lungs filled with fluid as her heart gave out; she was 14. That's the face she would make at me through the glass door when she wanted me to let her in.
6:55 am
LOVED this!! I can't wait to wave it around to a certain vegetarian friend who loves to spew garbage like what you've debunked here. Of course said vegetarian has also tried telling me eating a protein heavy diet will make me fat... Um...yeah. Not. Thanks for the awesome digestion fun!!!
3:01 pm
February 22, 2010
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Robin:
It's like when you have to finally tell your child that there's no Santa Claus: expect a few tantrums.
JS
10:01 pm
Even as a vegetarian teenager, I never believed the silly myth about meat rotting in the gut. It just makes zero sense and sounds completely foolish.
OK, so someone eats some meat, and then later on a salad with some corn. Well, clearly the salad and corn come out the backside within the expected transit time. Is there a passing lane or something to permit the meat to stay behind while the vegetable matter passes?
Silly vegan propaganda is all this myth ever was.
10:08 pm
There's a complicating factor why many people become vegetarians: BECAUSE MEDIA/SCHOOL/GOVERNMENT/MEDICINE/"SCIENCE" SAYS IT'S "HEALTHY"!!!
Without the constant drumbeat of pro-vegan pseudoscience, there'd probably be a lot fewer vegetarians.
I initially became a vegetarian at the age of 15 due to ethical concerns about animals, but soon clung to it in the belief that vegetarianism was healthier.
Eventually, I became a pre-diabetic and obese vegetarian who felt constantly wiped-out, then figured it was time to try something else... I feel let down by the cheerleaders I used to trust, and now have become more skeptical about just about everything in life...
12:46 am
I'm not saying you're wrong about anything, but I was curious about what you wrote and decided to see if there was any research done(if it even is research..) that could possibly challenge yours.. So here is a site where this man talks about how humans are more alike herbivores: http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/09/are-humans-carnivores-or-herbivores-2/
I would like to know your thoughts about it please, as I'm curious to find a definite answer. That is if there is such an answer for something like this.
Thank you! =]
2:12 am
February 22, 2010
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Me:
"Is there a passing lane or something to permit the meat to stay behind while the vegetable matter passes?" That's classic!
" I feel let down by the cheerleaders I used to trust, and now have become more skeptical about just about everything in life…"
Me, too. I wasn't vegetarian for nearly as long as you, but as a result of the propaganda, I felt guilty about being omnivorous for much longer...and I ate far too much birdseed (e.g. Kashi, "soy nuts") under the illusion that it was good for me.
I agree that the vegetarians have hijacked nutritional discourse! Here's the article I wrote about that.
I think you'll find that most of the paleo community shares the same skepticism: in order to eat and live the way we do, we've all had to swim against the current of popular and scientific opinion.
Welcome home.
JS
2:42 am
Bobby: the site starts with the wrong premise immediately.
humans are not herbivores or carnivores, we are omnivores.
that we have greater similarity to herbivores is not surprising: we evolved from fruit eating apes!
but that was millions of years ago
and if we go back far enough we would all be herbivores as plants seem to have been around first.
but this does not make tigers and lions herbivores because hundreds of millions of years ago their ancestors were.
facts aside: i am pretty sure i could make a spurious list "proving" humans are more similar to carnivores by using similar (and overly simplistic) arguments, strawmen etc. just like that author has
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