What an amazing discussion!!!!!!!!!!! There is enough material here for a book!

Excellent article!

Mr Stanton (easy read)

Don't be worried about it, it is just my writing style. Your mind is so full of information that there is not much room for you yourself to move.

Naturally it will seem cut n paste to the intellect, because the intellect cannot recognise the new; what it sees as knew has already become old. Its preference is in old knowledge and repetition, in repetition the mind is in its element, it is comfortable with what it knows or rather thinks it knows.

The truth is without language, this is why in language everything becomes relative. But just a few times in an intellects mind there are gaps created by awareness, this is when the truth penetrates the armoured plating of the mind and plucks a heart string. And for a moment the intellect becomes incapacitated, so the intellect is left in the face of truth naked, without its armour; without much to say that is none bias.

The meat debate is eons old - it is perfectly obvious that the mind is the driving force and not the body. So man can eat meat without any problem; the mind will become accustomed and the body will follow suit, providing there is no division between the mind itself.

But it will be short lived, the downfall will be the destruction of the species and other species for that matter.

Here lies the difference between info-lectuality and intelligence. Surely if the mind is stronger than the body, we should put it to good use, instead of being enslaved by it.

Your reply is typical of an intellectual, an intellect cannot say much about truth, they know plenty of facts, simply because they have been collecting them over the years and stored them in memory. But the truth cannot be contained like knowledge.

The whole body is a living organism and under the command of its creator, the mind.
What appears to be cut n paste are mere common self realisations. It is a common dialect amongst those who have become more aware of consciousness as a whole rather than just its reflection within the field.

And surely you must realise that cut an paste forms the basis of your own fanciful rhetoric? Where did all your knowledge come from? It didn't come from you, that much is certain. It is all borrowed my friend, it has come from a book or from somebody else.

If you took your imposition away then you would be as clueless a joe blogs.

Look, if you have to eat those animals, do it in moderation. But look at it this way. Can you you live your whole life ONLY eating plants, or ONLY eating animals. Quite easily, if you only ate animals and no vegetation whatsoever, you'd pretty much end up with a variety of diseases, including cancer. I'm a vegetarian for religious reasons. I've been one my whole life because I've grown up in a vegetarian household of Seventh day Adventists, except for my brothers and dad. I'm the only vegetarian man in the family. So if you're a Christian (because any atheist will not care what I have to say) listen to this. If we believe in the Garden of Eden, then we know with 100% that Adam and Eve were vegetarians. Eating meat is result of sin because death of animals is rooted in sin. And for Christians who believe in heaven and the new world, do you think we are going to eat animal?. Of course not! Remember, eating meat is a result of a sinful world!

Ellease said
"But it will be short lived, the downfall will be the destruction of the species and other species for that matter."

ok, but only if you call 4.3 million years short lived?
i mean, i'm 36 now and i think that 100 years is a long time. over a million seems...a little excessive?

JS how do you keep your cool responding to some of these (not Ellease incidentally) just reading some of the responses has massively depressed me.
along with the many blatant copy and pasting from the same websites, without realising that someone else has done it!
sidenote: my sister became vegetarian and sent me the herbivore:carnivore:human charts as many have on this article.
5 years later on doctors orders she resumed meat consumption.

Eddie when I say short lived, I'm drawing the comparison between here and now, which is eternal and the time that the mind creates which is momentary.

Indeed from the minds perspective 4.3 million years is a long time, but in the light of eternity it is but a blink of an eye. And in any case, time is a paradox; and since it is created by the mind it is always relative, so there can be no true comparison in the real sense.

We objectify it by reason and measurement, measurements are subject to an objective world of change, but in reality there are no objects; there is only the subjective point of consciousness.

We create time out of memory, the impressions left on the brain leaves traces in the memory. This is how we know from this point in memory to the hear and now; the present, a certain time has elapse.

But in being you cannot fathom the time lapse. We have all experienced it, when in being there is no time; the clocks stop. But no sooner than we raise the question of time, the clock starts ticking again and we wonder where the time had gone.

It is the constant shuttling between what is real and the idea of what is real. There is no time in reality but in the idea of thing, time appears eternal.

The pendulum creates the time in the clock by swinging back and forth in space. We create time in the same way the pendulum does, by moving between the past and future in the mind. It is the memory when going back in time and anticipation when moving forewords in time. Both are illusions.

When we move into the field of consciousness we create time, hence the reason why physicists are baffled as to the origin of time. Time is the by-product of a conscious mind. As long as the physicist is there to create time to observe, there will always be the question of time itself. You + observation = time and space.

Mr Stanton

The problem is not eating meat, nor is it the 7 billion population. It is the 6.9 billion who are asleep. The population argument is a nonsense, it is just that we are not intelligent enough to organise it. It is mere propaganda, propagated by the ruling elite.

Of course, if you have 7billion people living on the earth, each having their own ideas about how things should be, naturally we are going to run into problems.

We live in a civilisation of welfare states and none welfare states that promotes and encourage procreation. As we all know, sex is promoted right the way through all medial outlets; along side the conflicting moral strategies of the law. Naturally, between the two variants an environment is created for population expansion. And like any system, wether Eco or mechanical. if it is not maintained and managed intelligently there will be problems.

The human body is said to have between 50 - 100 trillion cells. When its working fine, there are no problems, they all work in unison to keep you in good health. If we work in unison, surely we could achieve the same harmony right here and now.

Man is deluded insomuch that he speaks of nature as separate from himself; nature is in the man not man in nature. As a unconscious whole man is parasitic, blind, unconscious and simply moves without purpose. Until he becomes more intelligent, self realised and aware; whereby there is no ideas between him and the field of consciousness, his level of consciousness cannot rise; his consciousness will always be in the grips of his programming - fear greed and perpetuation of his consciousness.

Further more there is no scientific or moral reason for what we are doing. Certainly we may think we know what we are doing but again this can only be relative.

Man is driven by desire, fear and greed. He simply eats meat because he finds it delicious and has no respect for the animal because he thinks he is above them. And the very fact that you take pleasure out of eating meat yourself prove you wrong, man is hedonistic. If man didn't take so much pleasure in eating the meat you probably wouldn't have anything to rant about yourself.

The whole world is drunk with the wine of self identification. One is a meat eater, one is a vegetarian and one is a vegan.

One says; we have molars so we are design to eat meat. Another will say; we have no canines so we are not design to eat meat. And if we talk about design then we have to address the issue of the designer and of course, if we jump on this merry go round, naturally we end up in an endless, tedious, and regressive delusion. We are not designed in any capacity, we are here but we also have an idea that we are here. And it is in this idea that the confusion arises.

The bottom line is that the body will adapt as best as it can, to fit whatever the physiology the mind creates. It has been doing this ever since we decided to take note of the memory log.

One must remember, the balance is in the act; the act of eating meat will always be in the balance of its opposite, in this case not eating meat .

You live in your little world of pseudo science and I and many of us will live in the REAL world in "Freedom and beauty" and HEALTH!

You kill/eat dead animals and call that freedom and beauty
and life will show you the results! You numbnuts!

Hi, I'm wondering why The American Cancer Society has been screaming for year that veggies/bean/grains & eating them in plentiful amounts helps prevent cancer?

From what I've researched & read (for years) is that the previously mentioned foods provide a lot of vitamins, iron, calcium & fiber. Fiber IS harder to digest..and the fact that your intestines need to work is actually good for them.

As far as flatulence, you can minimize this by building up your fiber intake as well as not over-indulging in any type of food.

Also (although I'm not totally convinced of it), there are theories that each of us (due to our different blood types) do better on different type of diets. This is in regards to the level of stomach acid each person produces. For example, Type O is better off eating lots of meat & Type A is better off being a vegetarian (due to lower stomach acids present).

I'm a pesco-ovo-lacto vegetarian (very light on pesco though). I certainly don't have all the answers just like no one does. I'm also a Type A blood type & I feel healthier & much more in control following my current diet rather than a meat-based one (which I've tried btw).