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Dental Health And The Paleo Diet: Gingival Sulcus Depth, Periodontal Disease, Systemic Inflammation, and Some N=1 Data
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January 6, 2013
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Dana:

Having not read it, I can't comment, but I'll try to take a look someday.

pam:

Let us know what you find out!

Tim:

The biochemistry suggests that the combination of A (not just beta-carotene) and D3 is necessary to absorb calcium, and K2 is necessary to deposit it in teeth and bones instead of arteries, so that's a plausible dietary therapy.  I personally wouldn't stop getting occasional cleanings, but that's your call.

JS

February 23, 2013
9:29 am
Tim
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I undetrstand Xylotol is effective because it helps break up the bio films that are holding bacteria. It is for that reason that it is effective in breaking up plaque and is also used in sinus sprays. Professor Ayers has information about it on his Cooling Inflammation website.

March 3, 2013
12:32 pm
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If people would be willing to buy their toothpaste online instead of in the store, there is a great one available from Tropical Traditions that has no bad ingredients and is only sweetened with stevia. And there is a mint-free version for those who take homeopathics (me). The ingredients of the one I use are: purified water, organic virgin coconut oil, baking soda, xanthum gum, wildcrafted myrrh powder, stevia, organic essential oils of cinnamon and clove. No SLS, which is caustic, and no glycerin, which can coat the teeth.

March 4, 2013
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I found this a really useful read: http://thepaleohygienist.com/

My toothpaste is now coconut oil, soda bicarbinate, xylitol and peppermint oil.

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March 10, 2013
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Tim:

That sounds right, but I'll defer to others on the details.

Margaret:

Online ordering opens up a lot of options for those without a "health food" store nearby.

Paul:

Good find.  Thank you!

JS

March 16, 2013
3:16 pm
luc
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The brushing technique presented by Orawellness worked great for me to drastically reduce my gum disease problems: Youtube video

This is a very simple technique (they call it the Bass brushing technique), which worked for me without using the Orawellness brush or their oil. At the moment I only get gum problems when I become too lazy to brush daily like they suggest.
I am using olive oil with a few drops of tea tree oil. However, I really should order their oil, at least once to say thank you.

May 18, 2013
11:49 am
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This is like a retrospective study of the one I cited before 🙂

http://www.nature.com/ng/journal/v45/n4/abs/ng.2536.html

Instead of studying bacterial effects on the mouth after a dietary change on modern humans they studied fossilized mouth bacteria of humans before agriculture, after agriculture and after industrial revolution.

[A layman's summary of the article can be found here -JS]

May 20, 2013
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Grafvitnir:

Fascinating!  Thank you for sharing that.  Unfortunately I can't see the full text, but the figures are available and shed some light on the conclusions.

JS

June 20, 2013
2:08 pm
Bizz
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I've been lucky with my dental issues over the years, but my new Paleo lifestyle should only help in that department...

October 1, 2013
10:03 am
Gregg in Maine
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JS,

Glad to hear you've moved to another product from the Tom's children's paste. A good friend of mine recently left Tom's after working there (most recently as head of manufacturing) for years.

What very few people know is that Colgate bought Tom's about six years ago, and the product has been going downhill since then. (I won't even get into Colgate's draconian HR tactics that are aligned with one goal - maximizing profits, and thus executive bonuses.) The last straw for me, as a customer, was learning that Colgate subjected the iconic peppermint baking soda toothpaste to consumer panels. The result was a reduction of the baking soda from 15% to 5%, which made it taste like every other peppermint toothpaste on the shelves. Why buy Tom's and then ruin the product that made the brand what it is (was)?

Oh, they also changed from U.S.-sourced peppermint oil to one from India.

We'd got a great local toothpaste here in southern Maine that's made in New Hampshire, called "The People's Paste"; not sure where you are, but if you're not in northern New England I doubt it's available locally for you.

Thanks for the great site, from someone very new to Paleo... and loving the changes I'm seeing so far.

October 3, 2013
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Awesome content. i found it very valauble as I am cuurently writing a kindle book on Paleo and weight loss. i have found some fascinating information, and though there's a bit hype about this caveman style of eating habit, there are risks as well as benefits. Will definitely be sharing what I learned here with [blatant spam link deleted] By the way, I also hope you done mind if I use some of the info here, of course, in my words, in my kindle book! Thank you, I have booked marked and will be back:)

October 3, 2013
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Christie:

It's considered polite to contribute to the discussion before engaging in blatant self-promotion.  I haven't deleted your comment, but I did delete your keyword spam link.

(Note that Wordpress defaults links in comments to nofollow, so keyword spamming the comment section won't help you anyway.)

JS

March 14, 2014
5:44 am
Bill
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Put baking powder and sea salt in palm of your hand add drops of hydrogen peroxide. Clean / brush teeth then rinse with apple cider vinegar. This will get rid of plaque, and the bio-film you talk about. As an extra added bonus your teeth will have no stains within a week. Cheers

March 15, 2014
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Bill:

You're correct that ACV is bactericidal and should help clear out the plaque-causing biofilm.  However, I'm concerned about using both it and baking soda every day, as it seems that might be a bit harsh on tooth enamel.

JS

March 24, 2014
6:27 pm
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I too have experienced great improvement in my teeth. I always formed quite a bit of plaque on the backs of my teeth. I would get them cleaned and in a week I could feel it forming again . Was told it was just from the minerals in my saliva. That everyone was different. Haven't had my teeth cleaned in several years and No Plaque! I used to have to go every 3 months. Sometimes I form a tiny amount and can just clean it myself with my own dental tool . My teeth just feel different too. Slick. I thought they were making my little toothpicks different as they were not just sliding out the other side but my gums must have filled in more or teeth actually formed more? They feel so solid. No starches and sugar for me!

March 25, 2014
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Bea:

This is one of the reasons I don't believe the assertions that Paleolithic people must have eaten lots of starch hold water: given their uniformly excellent teeth, and simultaneous lack of toothbrushes and toothpaste, I see no way they could have eaten a diet high in starches and sugars.

In fact, there is a great piece of supporting evidence: the only Paleolithic fossils with substantial dental caries involve Late Paleolithic fossils also found with evidence of high-volume acorn processing -- including storage vessels, so that the acorns could be eaten for longer than their harvest season.

JS

May 22, 2014
9:41 am
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Hi J. - first time poster.

Love the site: Will concur with the correlation about gum health and a diet devoid of grains and sugars.

I was using the sonic a couple of years before the diet change 18 months ago. The sonic really helped but the greatest improvement came with the diet, my regular 9 month cleanings ( 2 so far so take my comment with a grain of salt) have been commented upon by the hygienist as great work, even though I stopped flossing 9 months ago as a further test.

Eating like a predator (paleo, wheat free, whatever) has given me my life back, and I've converted a dozen so far based on the results they receive. I lost 45 lbs over 5 months and more importantly BP went from 145/95 to 115/75 and no more acid reflux, joint inflamation.

Look forward to completely reading your site and book this summer. – thanks

One quick off topic question: have you ever looked at the effect of erectile dysfunction reversal on this diet? I will correlate a 100% reversal of ED on this diet, one main reason I will never go back to the SAD. Most men suffer in silence, needlessly, and big pharma profits from it. I always thought the "'E' diet" book would be a great winner, yours if you want it 🙂 I'll never write it.

May 25, 2014
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Dave:

I'm glad to hear of your success!  I know my articles are popular from the web statistics -- but they're given meaning when they're applied by individual people, like yourself, to improve their lives.

Isn't it amazing how many maladies we think of as "just part of getting older" are actually the result of an evolutionarily discordant diet?

No, I'm not familiar with any results of Paleo on ED specifically -- but many people report a substantial boost.  First, adipose tissue is anti-androgenic, so just the weight loss alone is helpful.  SFA also seems to support androgenic function vs. PUFA, and a general lack of circulating Neolithic toxins also helps.

In general, the healthier you are, the more energy your body can devote to mate-seeking and reproduction vs. simple survival.

Thank you for sharing your experiences.  Welcome home.

JS

May 25, 2014
1:58 pm
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Time to jump back in ...

I'm getting seriously clean teeth from brushing with alum powder. I picked some up as part of my more naturalised post-shave routine and find a dab with a damp toothbrush and a good scrub very nice indeed. Very clean.

I wonder about the long term ...

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May 25, 2014
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Paul:

Alum?  Isn't that extremely puckery?

I've had decent results with just about anything, provided I apply it with my Sonicare and get plenty of K2-MK4 in my diet.  Neem powder is favored by those who like herbal solutions: I used it for a while and it seemed to work without the harshness of baking soda.

JS

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